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Learn more about how we can help with Standard Edition pains. How awesome would a compatibility layer strapped over Postgres be? But like you said: who has the time? I think it is currently still not on par with t-sql in Sql Server but eventually if many join in to contribute, we will have PostgreSQL that can speak t-sql. From there the move to any other database is a lot easier.

I write and speak all three. You let me know how that works out for you. Many people are shocked when they have to pay for things. I, for one, steal cars. After all, why pay for a Porsche when you can drive it into a dumpster and set it on fire after joyriding around all night? Horizontal Scalability. It only took 2 developers a DBA and an ops guy that new linux 6 months to put that together and we are on our way to being free from the price and scalability limitations. To answer Joel from this list as well Hive speaks T-sql very well I literally copied and pasted code from t-sql to make my etl process in hive and only had to change a few things.

My guess would be that this would be half time or so, while plenty of other duties were still handled. Many of the uphill battles we faced were legacy code and legacy systems.

We did put a lot of time and human capitol into this project. But when I want to move faster i add simple computer nodes that can be very cheap with no licensing costs, this makes the ability for me to scale my platform easy and cost efficient. This is just my opinion though I still love SQL and use it all the time just need to make sure you use the right tool for the job. Sometimes companies even cover office space, payroll taxes and benefits… on top of your salary.

Oh great post btw! Hope to see you at a SQL event soon. Jeez, should I dust off my Oracle or mysql skills, hmmm….

Hi Rich! Interesting post, as always, and I mostly agree. To me, the absence of TDE is an issue, along with memory. The other stuff, online work, snapshots, etc do seem to be more Enterprise stuff. Do away with the edition stuff. Most of the missing features are mostly provided in the hypervisors and 64gb is more than enough per instance. They actually only license the Standard edition of SQL. It would be nice to see graduated feature sets, so partitioning with a lower limit on the number of partitions, two node Availability Group rather than the eight for full enterprise etc.

That way it would be possible for smaller systems to more easily grow into full enterprise systems eventually as people would be more familiar with the features. Anyone take a look at NuoDB? I dunno. With costs like those, and so many terrific free alternatives, who will specify MSSQL for a new development? It would be interesting to check again in a couple of years. They need staff with experience and a vendor who will still be around next year. They also need a better support agreement than an online users group.

I have yet to work for a moneyed enterprise that willingly went along with a free anything. You must not have priced an Oracle RAC installation lately.

Microsoft is, was and remains competitive in the market place. Oh, wait…. They actually started this nonsense with mem limits on r2, not sure if it really did limit memory. For anyone who bought hardware in the last year with tons of memory you are going to be stuck on r2 unless you want to buck up. I am guessing standard edition is made for companies with 10 employees or less. The new pricing on Enterprise edition is outrageous. Open source here we come in the next two years.

Sunil — well, some good news there for startups. I just put in our application. I will be interested to know which open source database support the same features columnstore, compression, partition, olap , tabular. High score for you! Most of the time, yes. In addition, a number of management components are provided, such as client applications and tools used for creating or working with analytical data.?

If these components are running on a server other than the main database server, then an additional license is required for each additional OSE in which they are installed. Yup, you need a separate licence for every server that has a SQL Server component that is installed and configured.

I have been corking as a consultant for many small, medium and very large clients. I tend to agree with Jerome that many clients cannot afford licencing all servers, while they can afford setting up the hardware. Microsoft shoulf think about being able to use the engines in different machine for the same licence.

This would make the licence cost extremely competitive. With clients, I always argue that Microsoft is not very expensive if you look at all the features SQL server embarks. However, I am soon limited in my argument when I tend to advise to use all the engines in specific servers… If Microsoft reads your blog and MS probably does, they should consider this idea.

I do not see why it would be a problem. I am right there with you, brother! Ok thx. Some years ago SQL ? My company is moving to MySQL for exactly this reason. Interestingly I think large enterprises are actually going to end up spending less after the pricing change. I know mine will. In large part because the pricing change is forcing us to finally consolidate. So in the end Microsoft actually makes less money from us because of the increased price.

On the other side the smaller shops are going to be squeezed out of using SQL Server until the eventual loss of revenue forces Microsoft to lower the prices. And in all probability it will be late, the tide will have turned and less and less people will use MS SQL Server regardless of the price. Also look at PostgreSQL currently on version 9.

Thanks for the information here. Could you tell me where could I find or what is the per user license cost for both enterprise and standard edition for SQL server Am I misunderstanding or is this 64gb memory restriction already in place on SE and how far back? Kritner — bad news. The customers also did not understand why they needed a DBA for such a cheap product. Pricing is a difficult issue. Then you see what expensive is and anything extra is more money.

If you want mirroring Data Guard in Oracle it is extra etc etc. The other factor is Microsoft do provide support for a decent length of time. Oracle will not look at supporting older versions very quickly so you have to upgrade at more cost. John — Rolls Royces are more expensive than Cadillacs, and Cadillacs have a longer warranty. Does that mean Cadillac is the best buy out of all of the cars? SQL Server would not consume any more. As I was also confused I opened a case with Microsoft, this case was quickly escalated to the memory manager team as everyone was confused.

Alfredo — I would go ahead and discuss the public sharing of it with Microsoft, and then go ahead and share it on the web. Just got confirmation from Microsoft given permission to freely publish their comments. Below is their explanation. This saved me a lot of time to try and draw the changes in memory manager for reference and I could get this email out within reasonable timeframe.

With SQL Server the standard edition memory usage was limited by the memory visible to the operating system. The architecture changed significantly with SQL Server Memory Manager now owns pool of pages and is responsible for all memory allocations single or multi page.

Buffer pool allocations are now deemed to consist ONLY of database pages and index pages. This pool continues to be limited to 64GB. The remaining 8KB allocations single page allocations are owned by the Memory Manager itself and is no longer subject to this limitation. This allows the database cache data and index pages to take full advantage of the SKU allowed memory. Note that the max server memory setting and available physical memory will still limit the overall memory in use by the Memory manager.

This includes the portion allocated to buffer pool by it. But the database cache, or total of database pages index and data pages will be limited to only 64 GB.

I added one index and then maintained the index fragmentation using the script above and the run time dropped to less than an hour. Use parameterized queries - I cannot stress this enough from both a performance and security standpoint. AddWithValue prevents the SQL Server query optimizer from running and you end up with table scans instead of the far faster index seeks.

If they want to use stored procedures that's fine as well - I think AddWithValue won't kill your performance in this case but there is never a reason to use AddWithValue anyway. Learn to use the SQL Server performance analyzer - it will actually tell you what indexes are needed and the estimated performance gains from creating the indexes. Now you have a reason other than sizing and performance.

The performance tips I provided earlier still apply however. This topic has been locked by an administrator and is no longer open for commenting. To continue this discussion, please ask a new question. No real budget for this. Your daily dose of tech news, in brief.

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